insbaby
10-21 09:43 PM
Hi All,
Looks like there are interpretation issues for few IV members (I'm not against to any member or isolating any one).
However, I have noticed interpretation issues in understanding a thread / posting for few members (based on their reaction).
The way RED dots are given really pinches to the posting owner.
My GC has been approved and I have not married yet. So I have posted my issue on thread and seeking helping from fellow IV members. I have received nice responses. I also have noticed the following comments on my control panel.
Looks like, some members have serious interpretation issues. They all gave me RED DOTS.
I really don't understand, why some one behaves like this when some one else has a real problem
1. Not married yet. GC... 08-07-2008 07:05 PM GC and still complaining! great!
2. Not married yet. GC... 09-24-2008 11:13 AM parying god won't help
3. Not married yet. GC... 09-27-2008 09:43 PM backdating ur marriage date is illegal.
Not only to this thread, I have been noticing since a year, few members comments are terrible. Those kinds of comments would not help and Demoralize fellow IV members.
Some of them reacts and attacks the original thread poster. The answer posted would not even related to what original poster has asked for?. Don't know what people understand and what they post.
May be, we have to do some thing in this cases.
Ps: This is con traversal topic, See how others react based on their interpretation .
You can't fix everything. Be ready for both.
Here are some ways to handle this:
1. Take it easy (Long term solution)
2. Don't click on the "UserCP" link (Short term)
3. Take a break from IV for few weeks (Short term)
4. Open few threads and give reds left and right for 5 people (Immediate relief)
Looks like there are interpretation issues for few IV members (I'm not against to any member or isolating any one).
However, I have noticed interpretation issues in understanding a thread / posting for few members (based on their reaction).
The way RED dots are given really pinches to the posting owner.
My GC has been approved and I have not married yet. So I have posted my issue on thread and seeking helping from fellow IV members. I have received nice responses. I also have noticed the following comments on my control panel.
Looks like, some members have serious interpretation issues. They all gave me RED DOTS.
I really don't understand, why some one behaves like this when some one else has a real problem
1. Not married yet. GC... 08-07-2008 07:05 PM GC and still complaining! great!
2. Not married yet. GC... 09-24-2008 11:13 AM parying god won't help
3. Not married yet. GC... 09-27-2008 09:43 PM backdating ur marriage date is illegal.
Not only to this thread, I have been noticing since a year, few members comments are terrible. Those kinds of comments would not help and Demoralize fellow IV members.
Some of them reacts and attacks the original thread poster. The answer posted would not even related to what original poster has asked for?. Don't know what people understand and what they post.
May be, we have to do some thing in this cases.
Ps: This is con traversal topic, See how others react based on their interpretation .
You can't fix everything. Be ready for both.
Here are some ways to handle this:
1. Take it easy (Long term solution)
2. Don't click on the "UserCP" link (Short term)
3. Take a break from IV for few weeks (Short term)
4. Open few threads and give reds left and right for 5 people (Immediate relief)
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wahwah
06-05 06:43 PM
i think this is just another interim or supplemental memo. Oh's website says that the rule making agenda for ac21 has been pushed out until next year.
About 2 weeks back Murthy posted an article in it's bulletin "new AC-21 regulations expected soon" http://www.murthy.com/mb_pdf/050208_P.html which i believe was a result of some discussions USCIS had with AILA?
Now is this new AC-21 memo released today the one being referred to in the above mentioned Murthy bulletin? OR i should still hold my breath for more AC-21 changes coming from USCIS, so they can jeopardize status of people by changing their interpretation of laws every now and then? Anyone?
About 2 weeks back Murthy posted an article in it's bulletin "new AC-21 regulations expected soon" http://www.murthy.com/mb_pdf/050208_P.html which i believe was a result of some discussions USCIS had with AILA?
Now is this new AC-21 memo released today the one being referred to in the above mentioned Murthy bulletin? OR i should still hold my breath for more AC-21 changes coming from USCIS, so they can jeopardize status of people by changing their interpretation of laws every now and then? Anyone?
eb3retro
10-19 02:06 PM
my travel date is on nov 21st and my RD for ap renewal is aug 6th. here are the things I have done so far.
1) called NSC and expedited mine and my spouse AP.
2) sent a fax copy of the expedite request letter to NEbraska service center requesting an expedite.
3) have sent all the documents to the local congressman and they are sending a letter by fax to NSC requesting to expedite.
4) Have an infopass appt for oct 28th.
5) sent another copy of the ap renewal receipt, along with 2 phographs, 485 and i140 receipt copy along with a letter requesting expedite with an email from travel agent citing financial loss if i cancel tickets.
6) also, my father in law had to undergo a bypass surgery (emergency) this week and we have received a letter from the doctor regarding the same and will be using it during the infopass if I do not see an approval (atleast online) before our infopass appointment.
Mine RD: Sep 3rd
I have booked tickets for Nov 18th.
I think I can wait until this month end to start expediting process. I will have 17 days window.
What do you suggest guys? Is that a reasonable time or I should start right away?
Thanks
1) called NSC and expedited mine and my spouse AP.
2) sent a fax copy of the expedite request letter to NEbraska service center requesting an expedite.
3) have sent all the documents to the local congressman and they are sending a letter by fax to NSC requesting to expedite.
4) Have an infopass appt for oct 28th.
5) sent another copy of the ap renewal receipt, along with 2 phographs, 485 and i140 receipt copy along with a letter requesting expedite with an email from travel agent citing financial loss if i cancel tickets.
6) also, my father in law had to undergo a bypass surgery (emergency) this week and we have received a letter from the doctor regarding the same and will be using it during the infopass if I do not see an approval (atleast online) before our infopass appointment.
Mine RD: Sep 3rd
I have booked tickets for Nov 18th.
I think I can wait until this month end to start expediting process. I will have 17 days window.
What do you suggest guys? Is that a reasonable time or I should start right away?
Thanks
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pcs
07-02 03:41 PM
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lazycis
01-26 06:26 PM
You are welcome. I doubt the company will alter the offer letter, but I would ask for it. Anyway, no court will let an employer to force an employee to reimburse for hypothetical training for which no upfront costs are defined. Moreover, the clause does say "prior to the Company’s receipt of the benefits of such training and education". So you may very well argue that company received benefits in return. The clause is designed to put fear in you, but it's not enforceable in court. The employer will be in a big trouble if you complain to DOL. And if you have no choice, sign it.
webm
06-05 02:09 PM
I am not tracking approvals rate as such. But if, CIS hasn't used as many numbers have DOS reported, then as Ron suggested, dates will move forward for EB3 Ind.
Forward movement sounds good..but even with PD current(May,June VB's) folks are just sitting and waiting..just like me..:(
Forward movement sounds good..but even with PD current(May,June VB's) folks are just sitting and waiting..just like me..:(
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belmontboy
12-01 03:49 PM
Waitime tracker for my PD says june 2028.
The numbers in backlog data report show a rosy picture.
Which one to believe??
The numbers in backlog data report show a rosy picture.
Which one to believe??
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vhd999
11-25 06:43 PM
I am sure IV must have reveiwed these numbers before posting this analysis for public view.
If that is the case, I am clearly missing something here.
If that is the case, I am clearly missing something here.
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garybanz
11-03 09:58 AM
There are ppl who moved 2 or 3 months after getting GC and have got their USC
AC21 N400 Cases - 2010 (http://forums.immigration.com/showthread.php?309220-AC21-N400-Cases-2010)
I went through the entire thread, i did not find any cases of people who had never used AC 21 and who left their employers right after 485 approval.
To be very specific, we need clarification on what the consequences are of leaving the sponsoring employer right after getting the GC esp people who never used AC21 and have been with the sponsoring company for several years before getting the GC.
AC21 N400 Cases - 2010 (http://forums.immigration.com/showthread.php?309220-AC21-N400-Cases-2010)
I went through the entire thread, i did not find any cases of people who had never used AC 21 and who left their employers right after 485 approval.
To be very specific, we need clarification on what the consequences are of leaving the sponsoring employer right after getting the GC esp people who never used AC21 and have been with the sponsoring company for several years before getting the GC.
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Gravitation
12-13 01:02 PM
Hi Gravitation,
How do you know this? Can you please elaborate.
Regards.
Hi Vicky,
Here's a thread that discusses this:
http://www.immigrationportal.com/showthread.php?t=219339
Regards,
Gravity
How do you know this? Can you please elaborate.
Regards.
Hi Vicky,
Here's a thread that discusses this:
http://www.immigrationportal.com/showthread.php?t=219339
Regards,
Gravity
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gianik
05-25 01:23 PM
Does anyone know how Quebec compares to Ontario. Specifically Montreal to Toronto. Economically, culturaly, etc.?
I would appreciate any comment. Thanks
I would appreciate any comment. Thanks
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Soul
02-07 09:37 AM
Me too, love medieval! :) Probably something to do with our past lives heh :P
- Soul :goatee:
- Soul :goatee:
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chumki
12-18 02:40 PM
Lazycis,
Thanks for the public charge note.
http://immigration.about.com/library/weekly/aa090903b.htm
In this forum Mr. Shusterman clarified that for layoffs before 180 days, the alien is protected for I-140 portablity, if the employer doesnot revoke it (which is my case).
1.
Question #2: I was laid off after less than 180 days on the job, got a new job, same as the old, when I-485 was still pending, for less than 180 days. Up to now, my I-485 has been pending more than 22 months after approval of I-140 and no revocation. Can I use AC21?
Carl: Absolutely.
2. Carl: The 180-day portability rule was designed for cases such as yours. None of the four USCIS service centers which adjudicate I-485s do so in less than a year, much less 180 days. Your question is based on the misconception that any change of employment within the first 180 days after the I-485 is submitted may be fatal to your application. The truth is that since you intended to work for the initial employer, but were laid off, it is your responsibility to find a new employer who can offer you a job in the same or a similar occupation as soon as possible. I would urge you to wait until 180 days have passed since the submission of your I-485, and then submit your intent letter and a letter from your new employer in order to invoke the portability doctrine.
The reason that I urge you to wait until after 180 days, is that if you notify the USCIS of your change of employment now, the agency could deny your I-485 before the 180 days have been reached and you would not be able to take advantage of the portability rule.
What are your thoughts?
What should I do now?
Thanks for the public charge note.
http://immigration.about.com/library/weekly/aa090903b.htm
In this forum Mr. Shusterman clarified that for layoffs before 180 days, the alien is protected for I-140 portablity, if the employer doesnot revoke it (which is my case).
1.
Question #2: I was laid off after less than 180 days on the job, got a new job, same as the old, when I-485 was still pending, for less than 180 days. Up to now, my I-485 has been pending more than 22 months after approval of I-140 and no revocation. Can I use AC21?
Carl: Absolutely.
2. Carl: The 180-day portability rule was designed for cases such as yours. None of the four USCIS service centers which adjudicate I-485s do so in less than a year, much less 180 days. Your question is based on the misconception that any change of employment within the first 180 days after the I-485 is submitted may be fatal to your application. The truth is that since you intended to work for the initial employer, but were laid off, it is your responsibility to find a new employer who can offer you a job in the same or a similar occupation as soon as possible. I would urge you to wait until 180 days have passed since the submission of your I-485, and then submit your intent letter and a letter from your new employer in order to invoke the portability doctrine.
The reason that I urge you to wait until after 180 days, is that if you notify the USCIS of your change of employment now, the agency could deny your I-485 before the 180 days have been reached and you would not be able to take advantage of the portability rule.
What are your thoughts?
What should I do now?
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vin13
06-24 05:12 PM
In the 2006 CIR was passed by Senate and it failed in Congress.
The strategy was adding poison pill. They deliberately added so many poison pill that
even EB folks were opposing the bill.
I respect your opinion. CIR failed in 2006. But if Democrats do bring the CIR up again and it fails again, it doesnot look good upon them either. So the hope is that they will check the feasibility of passing. And, we(EB folks) may have a chance to piggy back with the Undocumented and latino lobby.
The strategy was adding poison pill. They deliberately added so many poison pill that
even EB folks were opposing the bill.
I respect your opinion. CIR failed in 2006. But if Democrats do bring the CIR up again and it fails again, it doesnot look good upon them either. So the hope is that they will check the feasibility of passing. And, we(EB folks) may have a chance to piggy back with the Undocumented and latino lobby.
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tinuverma
05-30 10:41 AM
Done. tried to add comments, but popup never opened.
Cheers.
Cheers.
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mpadapa
02-11 09:23 AM
DOS recently released the visa usage statistics for FY 2008 (http://www.travel.state.gov/pdf/FY08-AR-TableV.pdf). For once USCIS managed to use up all the visas allocated for the year. Kudos to USCIS :D But it comes with a price for EB folks. For the past few years, forward movement of PD during the last months of the FY has been propelled due to the spillover of unused FB visa's from prior year. Remember last year almost 23k FB visas got spilled over to the EB limit and caused significant forward movement of PD's for EB2 I/C. Unfortunately in 2008 USCIS used up all of the FB visa's, hence there will be no visa's to spillover:mad: I had consolidated the visa usages in the past few years, Here is a link to the document (http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=p_liYSUcqZRXA9OjuWUNRag&hl=en). The document has hyper link to the source for all the data.
If you are EB3 I/C and wondering why dates didn't move in 2008. Here is the answer,
EB3-C and EB3-I got 1,985 and 3,576 visa's respectively. With such kind of visa allocation there is no doubt about why the dates aren't moving.
If you are EB2 I/C and dreaming that somehow the new spillover would take care of things. You might be pleasantly surprised by the usage of EB1 and EB2-ROW in 2008. Last year many were dreaming that all of the 23K FB visa's would directly go to EB2-I/C but the data shows otherwise. EB2-C and EB-I got 6,967 and 14,819 visa's respectively for the entire 2008. If all the 23K visa's were used by EB2-I/C then their respective numbers would have been much higher.
Bottom line: Without significant change in the EB limit through recapture or increase in EB limit. The forward movement of PD will be a trickle atleast for the rest of the year. We can pray and do whatever before every bulletins, but the numbers cannot lie and hence the bulletins would be a disappointment (for many) until we grasp the reality.
Let us get our acts together and start working together towards some constructive actions like a bill or an amendment. Let us have a healthy debate on what needs to be done.
If you are EB3 I/C and wondering why dates didn't move in 2008. Here is the answer,
EB3-C and EB3-I got 1,985 and 3,576 visa's respectively. With such kind of visa allocation there is no doubt about why the dates aren't moving.
If you are EB2 I/C and dreaming that somehow the new spillover would take care of things. You might be pleasantly surprised by the usage of EB1 and EB2-ROW in 2008. Last year many were dreaming that all of the 23K FB visa's would directly go to EB2-I/C but the data shows otherwise. EB2-C and EB-I got 6,967 and 14,819 visa's respectively for the entire 2008. If all the 23K visa's were used by EB2-I/C then their respective numbers would have been much higher.
Bottom line: Without significant change in the EB limit through recapture or increase in EB limit. The forward movement of PD will be a trickle atleast for the rest of the year. We can pray and do whatever before every bulletins, but the numbers cannot lie and hence the bulletins would be a disappointment (for many) until we grasp the reality.
Let us get our acts together and start working together towards some constructive actions like a bill or an amendment. Let us have a healthy debate on what needs to be done.
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laborday
07-17 10:56 AM
OK, anyone who can help me here? I am still getting June.
For NSC
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I-765 Application for Employment Authorization Based on a pending I-485 adjustment application [(c)(9)] March 26, 2007
For NSC
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I-765 Application for Employment Authorization Based on a pending I-485 adjustment application [(c)(9)] March 26, 2007
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hopefulgc
08-10 01:38 AM
Please don't forget me or leave me behind
apr 2004
Hoping that USCIS will look at this thread...
That is how vain I am :)
apr 2004
Hoping that USCIS will look at this thread...
That is how vain I am :)
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dilbert_cal
04-03 04:44 PM
8 more webfaxes done for 10 and 11. ( through my colleagues )
Another 17 to go. I know I'm slow but I'll reach there. :-)
Another 17 to go. I know I'm slow but I'll reach there. :-)
newcomer
06-23 04:57 PM
I beg to differ with your opinion about using the walmart bags are trash bags.
One of the reason that I can think of is...
There are apartments where kitchens are so small where you are forced to buy small trash cans and stuff them under the sinck.The best way to fit these can's is with Shopping Bags, not with 5 or 10 gallon's garbbage bag.
Brahmam and Company -
This is the height of Frugality sir :eek: . Contribute something to this society instead looting(??) everything from here and wiring to Bank of India or whatever:p .There should be a limit to this nonsense questions to be posted for Members to Read and Answer. Please grow up in life.Few Dollars here and there will not make this World upside down nor will it buy huge real estate lands in your Place. Also, buy Trash-bags for throwing Trash instead of use Walmart plastic to throw into Dumpsters.Some in my Apts do that all the time inspite of Property Managers advising against doing it.you fall in this Category.
To answer your Question, Walmart is the cheapest for anything .Period.Why?? Please see this Documentary 'Wal-Mart: The High Cost of Low Price '.
I'll give you the last call to burn your ego.:cool:
- Shalom
One of the reason that I can think of is...
There are apartments where kitchens are so small where you are forced to buy small trash cans and stuff them under the sinck.The best way to fit these can's is with Shopping Bags, not with 5 or 10 gallon's garbbage bag.
Brahmam and Company -
This is the height of Frugality sir :eek: . Contribute something to this society instead looting(??) everything from here and wiring to Bank of India or whatever:p .There should be a limit to this nonsense questions to be posted for Members to Read and Answer. Please grow up in life.Few Dollars here and there will not make this World upside down nor will it buy huge real estate lands in your Place. Also, buy Trash-bags for throwing Trash instead of use Walmart plastic to throw into Dumpsters.Some in my Apts do that all the time inspite of Property Managers advising against doing it.you fall in this Category.
To answer your Question, Walmart is the cheapest for anything .Period.Why?? Please see this Documentary 'Wal-Mart: The High Cost of Low Price '.
I'll give you the last call to burn your ego.:cool:
- Shalom
sc3
10-22 04:29 PM
suresh.emails,
I said in my earlier post that I will think about it. This is what I have to say.
There are things that can be measured in single dimension say on x-axis. Say you have to buy a car and you have to ask yourself a question � which car do I like to buy? Say you like Honda as compared to other cars. Your likeability of Honda or such cars could be measured on the positive side of the x-axis and likewise, if you don�t like some car, that can be measured on the negative side on the x-axis. Now, there could be another dimension to the situation, say, what is the car model in question, if it is a civic or maybe accord, accord, CRV, Odyssey, Element or whatever. Now if you ask yourself that question again � which car do I like? This time you need two dimensions to answer the question which Honda model you like and which you don�t like. Foe the sake of clarity you can do this on the X&Y-axis. But say if there is a choice of multiple colors. You would have to now think/plot a 3-dimention model, say a cube, because you may like a model of Honda in one color but you may not like the same color in another model. Now there could be other combinations, say which year make or whether it is a sedan/coupe or the cost factor or resale value, mileage, new/old, dealership, goodies, experience of your friends/well-wishers etc. etc. etc. So there could be multiple dimensions analysis to answer a 7 word question - which car do I like to buy?
The reason I say this is, even situations which otherwise seem simple require multiple dimensions of analysis. And there could be many more dimensions that we do not know or we do not understand. But say, you ignore all dimensions to every situation, and judge every situation in a single dimension analysis - whether or not you like something or not? If you don�t like it, that something has to be wrong. If you like it, that something is right. It can be easily identified on the x-axis. Simple, isn�t it. Life would be so much easier; it would be so much fun.
But here is the problem. With single dimension analysis of every situation, we will all be wrong most of the time. Since our childhood, maybe that�s why we were sent to school to get educated so that we could gain the knowledge & wisdom which could help us to apply more than one dimension to every situation and we could gain the ability to evaluate and analyze things around us �intelligently� � in multi-dimension.
Your single dimension analysis of -ve comments situation is, you don't like them and that's why the entire system HAS to be wrong. You see what I am saying.
It�s ok to express in the any forum and if you don�t like a forum, as in this case you don�t like reputation system, you have the choice to totally ignore it and not look at it at all. But you chose to look at the reputation system maybe because you continue to be mindful of your reputation on the anonymous forum, but then you continue to complain about the existense of the red dot system. It�s the choice you make. And then you apply single dimension analysis � if you don�t like a comment, there is something wrong with the guy who posted a negative comment and the reputation system and the IV and everyone around us. And because you are not happy, you think it is ok to curse everyone saying that the entire immigration system cannot be fixed because IV has reputation system. You know, I have to tell you, you are pretty good.
The reason I say all this is, I have fundamental difference with the folks who do not like reputation system but continue to look at it and complain about it, even when they have the choice not to look at the reputation system. The problem doesn�t end there. Every week there is someone complaining about the reputations left for that guy, and I just have an intellectual disagreement with that behavior. And I do not have anything against you or anyone else, I am sure you are a good man with a kind heart.
.
Good points Sanju we should weigh the +s and the -s of the rep system, however you are missing the core of the complaints. Which is that people giving reds are usually (though not always) doing it as a personal attack (you suck, F*'s etc.), whereas every green that one receives is usually on subject matter (I have not seen a "you stud"!! kind of +ve reps ;) ).
Also, what it wrong for people to complain about the system? If people have the right to give reds, why shouldn't the forum be allowed to complain about it? And if the popular opinion is against it, then the system can be dismantled.
At both ends (the extreme left and the right) it is always "my way or the highway". Neither one recognizes that there are people with different view points, and that everyone should be given an opportunity to air their own views (live a life of their choosing etc.).
I said in my earlier post that I will think about it. This is what I have to say.
There are things that can be measured in single dimension say on x-axis. Say you have to buy a car and you have to ask yourself a question � which car do I like to buy? Say you like Honda as compared to other cars. Your likeability of Honda or such cars could be measured on the positive side of the x-axis and likewise, if you don�t like some car, that can be measured on the negative side on the x-axis. Now, there could be another dimension to the situation, say, what is the car model in question, if it is a civic or maybe accord, accord, CRV, Odyssey, Element or whatever. Now if you ask yourself that question again � which car do I like? This time you need two dimensions to answer the question which Honda model you like and which you don�t like. Foe the sake of clarity you can do this on the X&Y-axis. But say if there is a choice of multiple colors. You would have to now think/plot a 3-dimention model, say a cube, because you may like a model of Honda in one color but you may not like the same color in another model. Now there could be other combinations, say which year make or whether it is a sedan/coupe or the cost factor or resale value, mileage, new/old, dealership, goodies, experience of your friends/well-wishers etc. etc. etc. So there could be multiple dimensions analysis to answer a 7 word question - which car do I like to buy?
The reason I say this is, even situations which otherwise seem simple require multiple dimensions of analysis. And there could be many more dimensions that we do not know or we do not understand. But say, you ignore all dimensions to every situation, and judge every situation in a single dimension analysis - whether or not you like something or not? If you don�t like it, that something has to be wrong. If you like it, that something is right. It can be easily identified on the x-axis. Simple, isn�t it. Life would be so much easier; it would be so much fun.
But here is the problem. With single dimension analysis of every situation, we will all be wrong most of the time. Since our childhood, maybe that�s why we were sent to school to get educated so that we could gain the knowledge & wisdom which could help us to apply more than one dimension to every situation and we could gain the ability to evaluate and analyze things around us �intelligently� � in multi-dimension.
Your single dimension analysis of -ve comments situation is, you don't like them and that's why the entire system HAS to be wrong. You see what I am saying.
It�s ok to express in the any forum and if you don�t like a forum, as in this case you don�t like reputation system, you have the choice to totally ignore it and not look at it at all. But you chose to look at the reputation system maybe because you continue to be mindful of your reputation on the anonymous forum, but then you continue to complain about the existense of the red dot system. It�s the choice you make. And then you apply single dimension analysis � if you don�t like a comment, there is something wrong with the guy who posted a negative comment and the reputation system and the IV and everyone around us. And because you are not happy, you think it is ok to curse everyone saying that the entire immigration system cannot be fixed because IV has reputation system. You know, I have to tell you, you are pretty good.
The reason I say all this is, I have fundamental difference with the folks who do not like reputation system but continue to look at it and complain about it, even when they have the choice not to look at the reputation system. The problem doesn�t end there. Every week there is someone complaining about the reputations left for that guy, and I just have an intellectual disagreement with that behavior. And I do not have anything against you or anyone else, I am sure you are a good man with a kind heart.
.
Good points Sanju we should weigh the +s and the -s of the rep system, however you are missing the core of the complaints. Which is that people giving reds are usually (though not always) doing it as a personal attack (you suck, F*'s etc.), whereas every green that one receives is usually on subject matter (I have not seen a "you stud"!! kind of +ve reps ;) ).
Also, what it wrong for people to complain about the system? If people have the right to give reds, why shouldn't the forum be allowed to complain about it? And if the popular opinion is against it, then the system can be dismantled.
At both ends (the extreme left and the right) it is always "my way or the highway". Neither one recognizes that there are people with different view points, and that everyone should be given an opportunity to air their own views (live a life of their choosing etc.).
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