eb2_mumbai
09-28 10:48 AM
I have a few questions of guru's on this forum.
What made USCIS change the rules of spill over from EB3 to EB2. We all know that rules changed in 2007 but I am not sure what prompted USCIS to make the change was it AILA or IV or just internal USCIS review?
The reason I ask this question is when I was looking at the EB3 thread there were lots of people especially with PD between 2001 & 2004 who feel they can start a campaign to revert this spill over decision to pre 2007 criteria. I am neither opposing them nor supporting them but I want to understand the reasons the changes were made.
At this moment I feel their appeal is more at emotional level rather than having a sound resoning. Its like we are waiting since 8 years so please assign us these spillover numbers. But I do not feel that will cut ice with CIS. We need to work for visa recapture but till this spilover thing is put to rest no one will concentrate on recapture
What made USCIS change the rules of spill over from EB3 to EB2. We all know that rules changed in 2007 but I am not sure what prompted USCIS to make the change was it AILA or IV or just internal USCIS review?
The reason I ask this question is when I was looking at the EB3 thread there were lots of people especially with PD between 2001 & 2004 who feel they can start a campaign to revert this spill over decision to pre 2007 criteria. I am neither opposing them nor supporting them but I want to understand the reasons the changes were made.
At this moment I feel their appeal is more at emotional level rather than having a sound resoning. Its like we are waiting since 8 years so please assign us these spillover numbers. But I do not feel that will cut ice with CIS. We need to work for visa recapture but till this spilover thing is put to rest no one will concentrate on recapture
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ita
04-16 12:21 PM
You know what I used to think like this too.
President of India is put up in hotel and Saino&family in palace during Bhutan king coronation and they said Saino is personal guest of the royal family so may be that's ok.
Media on one hand calls this person homemaker (Priyanka Gandhi)and on the other hand reports that she is in Bangladesh having talks/dinner with Bangladesh PM with Bangladesh State providing security to her which looks like a official visit.Media doesn't mention in what nature is this offcial apart from NREG stuff which looks very fishy.
Just after UPA came to power Sonia goes to Russia in Reliance plane to meet with Putin.
I tried to find out why Sonia is in Russia but almost all the papers were excited about the reliance plane(could it be Anil's or Mukhesh's) but didn't say anything about Russia visit.I moved on and still don't what was it about though hoping it was something good for country and not revival of KGB connection(When U.S.S.R collapsed it was made public from KGB archive that Rajiv/Sonia were constant recipients of KGB money.?,it's anybody's guess ).
Then Sona/Rahul went to china and media was saying Sonia is trying to tell China that their family is back in power making it seem like monarchy within democracy.
When our company pays for cleaning agency to do the household cleaning for it's employees ,the help that comes to our house will take orders from us rite? Seems the same with some of these media guys.
What's interesting is people who call themselves cream of the top,(who say) can think clearly are willing to trust the future of their sons and well being of their daughters in the hands of this family.
Most sickening part was UPA leaders only concentrated on abusing, denying and accusing. They never told the voters if they did any work in last 5 years. I know there wasn't a lot to tell but still the whole campaign is kind of useless...and the role of media is amazing, they just covered 5 people Maino Antonia, Rahul Gandhi, Priyanka Gandhi, Advani & Modi as if nobody else exist in the country. Priyanka Gandhi wakes up every 5 years during elections and media runs after...How sick a country we are ???
President of India is put up in hotel and Saino&family in palace during Bhutan king coronation and they said Saino is personal guest of the royal family so may be that's ok.
Media on one hand calls this person homemaker (Priyanka Gandhi)and on the other hand reports that she is in Bangladesh having talks/dinner with Bangladesh PM with Bangladesh State providing security to her which looks like a official visit.Media doesn't mention in what nature is this offcial apart from NREG stuff which looks very fishy.
Just after UPA came to power Sonia goes to Russia in Reliance plane to meet with Putin.
I tried to find out why Sonia is in Russia but almost all the papers were excited about the reliance plane(could it be Anil's or Mukhesh's) but didn't say anything about Russia visit.I moved on and still don't what was it about though hoping it was something good for country and not revival of KGB connection(When U.S.S.R collapsed it was made public from KGB archive that Rajiv/Sonia were constant recipients of KGB money.?,it's anybody's guess ).
Then Sona/Rahul went to china and media was saying Sonia is trying to tell China that their family is back in power making it seem like monarchy within democracy.
When our company pays for cleaning agency to do the household cleaning for it's employees ,the help that comes to our house will take orders from us rite? Seems the same with some of these media guys.
What's interesting is people who call themselves cream of the top,(who say) can think clearly are willing to trust the future of their sons and well being of their daughters in the hands of this family.
Most sickening part was UPA leaders only concentrated on abusing, denying and accusing. They never told the voters if they did any work in last 5 years. I know there wasn't a lot to tell but still the whole campaign is kind of useless...and the role of media is amazing, they just covered 5 people Maino Antonia, Rahul Gandhi, Priyanka Gandhi, Advani & Modi as if nobody else exist in the country. Priyanka Gandhi wakes up every 5 years during elections and media runs after...How sick a country we are ???
user_1980
09-21 12:19 AM
I'm about to transfer my H1. I have recent paystubs - Problem is that Paystub shows gap between pay date and pay period (around 7 weeks from pay period)..And, yeah I was in status all the time.
will this paystub cause any problem while transfering H1-B to another employer?
Please advice.
Thanks,
will this paystub cause any problem while transfering H1-B to another employer?
Please advice.
Thanks,
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ItIsNotFunny
04-20 10:46 AM
I am working for Company A and company B wanted to provide me with pre-approved labor of EB2 category with priority date in July 2002. The Company B's pre-approved EB2 labor was for a Master degree with salary of 80K. I have only bachelor Degree but with more than 8 years of experience in IT. My I-140 has been approved with the present employer company A but it is EB3.
Is there any possibility to take advantage of the company B's pre-approved EB2 labor certificate considering more than 5 years of experience as a qualification though it requires a Master degree.
Thank you.
Based one information above, I would not go for this.
Is there any possibility to take advantage of the company B's pre-approved EB2 labor certificate considering more than 5 years of experience as a qualification though it requires a Master degree.
Thank you.
Based one information above, I would not go for this.
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vdlrao
07-31 05:58 PM
http://www.immigration-information.com/forums/showthread.php?t=5766
posted 07-24 09:59 AM
Ron Gotcher has some thoughts on India E2 movement over the next two months.
More and more, I see people posting messages containing the unspoken assumption that since the Indian E2 cutoff date has moved forward, it is likely to move forward further in the coming months. This is a false hope.
Even with a cutoff date in early 2003, the CIS has sufficient inventory of Indian E2 adjustments on file to use up the remaining inventory of E2 visas for this fiscal year. The reason that the Visa Office advanced the priority date is to move it up to the point where overseas consular posts can take up the slack left by the CIS's inability to close out enough cases and avoid wasting visas this year.
The CIS inventory of pending cases is massive. If there were no quota at all - if everyone were suddenly "current" - and no new cases were filed after today, it would still take the CIS four to five years to close out all of the pending cases that they already have in their inventory.
Overseas consular posts maintain inventories of cases as well. When the priority date for a particular case starts to edge forward and it appears that the applicant may become "current' in the not too distant future, the applicant is told to submit all required supporting documents to the post or the NVC. When this is done, the applicant is reported to the Visa Office as being "documentarily qualified." This means that the case is in a position where an immigrant visa can be issued to the applicant as soon as a visa number becomes available.
The inventory of documentarily qualified cases with current priority dates at a consular post never exceeds that post's ability to process all such cases within sixty days. Consular posts have very high bandwidth processing capabilities. No matter how many cases become current, they are able to process all of them within sixty days.
The reason that the Indian E2 cutoff date has moved forward is that the Visa Office fears that the CIS will not be able to adjudicate enough adjustment of status applications to exhaust the annual quota. They have advanced the cutoff date in order to make more cases overseas eligible for final processing.
This means that overseas consular posts have exhausted their inventories of Indian E2 cases with priority dates earlier than 2006 and the Visa Office had to move the cutoff date forward in order to make more cases eligible to be closed out.
This does not mean that the CIS has closed out all of the pre-2006 cases pending in their inventory. Far from it. When the new fiscal year starts, Indian E2 is likely to retrogress back to late 2002 or early 2003. This is roughly the point reached by the CIS in processing their inventory of pending cases.
Please understand that this is a temporary phenomenon and due entirely to the difference in the processing capabilities of the CIS and the overseas consular posts.
I hope this clarifies matters.
Ron Gotcher
I dont agree with his post except that "EB2 will retrogress in the coming months". EB2 may retrogress in the coming bulletins as part of the adjustment of demand VS available visa numbers. But the retrogression will be very mild and it would be there very short span of time. After that the cut off date will run like to catch up the current. In Ron's post he has no where mentioned about the horizontal spill overs. May be he might have been talking with DOS officials once in a while. But he is not predicting the EB2 movement properly on a whole.
And besides that our core team has started a call campaign on HR5882 bill. Please participate in that. We have a dedicated IV core team for our Immigration Issues. If this bill passes it will give a great relief for our EB3 friends who are already waiting for years. Hope this bill will pass.
posted 07-24 09:59 AM
Ron Gotcher has some thoughts on India E2 movement over the next two months.
More and more, I see people posting messages containing the unspoken assumption that since the Indian E2 cutoff date has moved forward, it is likely to move forward further in the coming months. This is a false hope.
Even with a cutoff date in early 2003, the CIS has sufficient inventory of Indian E2 adjustments on file to use up the remaining inventory of E2 visas for this fiscal year. The reason that the Visa Office advanced the priority date is to move it up to the point where overseas consular posts can take up the slack left by the CIS's inability to close out enough cases and avoid wasting visas this year.
The CIS inventory of pending cases is massive. If there were no quota at all - if everyone were suddenly "current" - and no new cases were filed after today, it would still take the CIS four to five years to close out all of the pending cases that they already have in their inventory.
Overseas consular posts maintain inventories of cases as well. When the priority date for a particular case starts to edge forward and it appears that the applicant may become "current' in the not too distant future, the applicant is told to submit all required supporting documents to the post or the NVC. When this is done, the applicant is reported to the Visa Office as being "documentarily qualified." This means that the case is in a position where an immigrant visa can be issued to the applicant as soon as a visa number becomes available.
The inventory of documentarily qualified cases with current priority dates at a consular post never exceeds that post's ability to process all such cases within sixty days. Consular posts have very high bandwidth processing capabilities. No matter how many cases become current, they are able to process all of them within sixty days.
The reason that the Indian E2 cutoff date has moved forward is that the Visa Office fears that the CIS will not be able to adjudicate enough adjustment of status applications to exhaust the annual quota. They have advanced the cutoff date in order to make more cases overseas eligible for final processing.
This means that overseas consular posts have exhausted their inventories of Indian E2 cases with priority dates earlier than 2006 and the Visa Office had to move the cutoff date forward in order to make more cases eligible to be closed out.
This does not mean that the CIS has closed out all of the pre-2006 cases pending in their inventory. Far from it. When the new fiscal year starts, Indian E2 is likely to retrogress back to late 2002 or early 2003. This is roughly the point reached by the CIS in processing their inventory of pending cases.
Please understand that this is a temporary phenomenon and due entirely to the difference in the processing capabilities of the CIS and the overseas consular posts.
I hope this clarifies matters.
Ron Gotcher
I dont agree with his post except that "EB2 will retrogress in the coming months". EB2 may retrogress in the coming bulletins as part of the adjustment of demand VS available visa numbers. But the retrogression will be very mild and it would be there very short span of time. After that the cut off date will run like to catch up the current. In Ron's post he has no where mentioned about the horizontal spill overs. May be he might have been talking with DOS officials once in a while. But he is not predicting the EB2 movement properly on a whole.
And besides that our core team has started a call campaign on HR5882 bill. Please participate in that. We have a dedicated IV core team for our Immigration Issues. If this bill passes it will give a great relief for our EB3 friends who are already waiting for years. Hope this bill will pass.
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BharatPremi
07-13 01:47 AM
As I mentioned, I love it in the States. But to love the States is not to say other places are not also very good. And when weighing your options between perpetual immigration and settling somewhere else, there might be value in considering other options. Which by the way, is the point of the this thread. Perhaps nuance is lost on someone of your obvious genius.
Also, I was quoting from a set of facts related to The Economists quality of life Indexes. Helping to inform people. In addition to that, I've lived many, many years in all 3 countries.
You on the other hand, contributed exactly what to the conversation?
I hope you recall your message to me next time you complain about the US immigration system and they say "So? If you hate it so much, why don't you F@@K off back to where you came from?"
SWO,
I would not take much to reply your junk...I have also replied to other one so please read that... I can be ready to read your ... if you first prove by taking Canadian Immigration and start writing this junk from your promising land of Canada. IN that case not only me but many others would see legitimacy.As long as you are on USA land please do not be contradictory... That is it. Bye for now.
Also, I was quoting from a set of facts related to The Economists quality of life Indexes. Helping to inform people. In addition to that, I've lived many, many years in all 3 countries.
You on the other hand, contributed exactly what to the conversation?
I hope you recall your message to me next time you complain about the US immigration system and they say "So? If you hate it so much, why don't you F@@K off back to where you came from?"
SWO,
I would not take much to reply your junk...I have also replied to other one so please read that... I can be ready to read your ... if you first prove by taking Canadian Immigration and start writing this junk from your promising land of Canada. IN that case not only me but many others would see legitimacy.As long as you are on USA land please do not be contradictory... That is it. Bye for now.
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Macaca
06-27 08:56 AM
HOW THE SYSTEM OPERATES
At the beginning of each month, the Visa Office receives a report from each immigrant visa processing post listing totals of documentarily qualified immigrant visa applicants in categories subject to numerical limitation.
Cases are grouped by foreign state chargeability/preference/priority date. No names are reported. During the first week of each month, this documentarily qualified demand is tabulated.
VO subdivides the annual preference and foreign state limitations which are specified by the Immigration and Nationality Act (INA) into twelve monthly allotments. The totals of documentarily qualified applicants reported to VO, and the expected INS demand for numbers, are compared each month with the numbers available for the next regular allotment. This allows for the determination of the monthly cut-off dates, and the allotment of numbers for reported applicants who have priority dates within the newly established cut-off dates.
If there are sufficient numbers in a particular category to satisfy all reported documentarily qualified demand, the category is considered "current."
From this it is very clear that the number of Visas available for the rest of the FY 07 is enough to accept as many applications as can be approved in those 3 months(July, Aug and Sep).
According to Ombudsmn report a documentarily qualified applicant is an applicant with approved I-485. The ombudsman report is a must read; most of the threads will not pop up if everyone reads them.
The report also says USCIS can not predict these numbers accurately. That is why 10K GCs were wasted last year and 40K were exepected to be wasted this year. They moved PD to avoid the waste.
USCIS knows the exact # of approved 485's before dates moved for June. So they know exactly when 2007 GCs will get exhausted by earlier approved ones, if at all they will get exhausted.
I think they will retrogress dates after using 2008 quota. That is dates will retrogress in Nov/Dec.
We can do some more analysis based on PD for june (which I don't know). What is the date set for June submissions? Thanks!
At the beginning of each month, the Visa Office receives a report from each immigrant visa processing post listing totals of documentarily qualified immigrant visa applicants in categories subject to numerical limitation.
Cases are grouped by foreign state chargeability/preference/priority date. No names are reported. During the first week of each month, this documentarily qualified demand is tabulated.
VO subdivides the annual preference and foreign state limitations which are specified by the Immigration and Nationality Act (INA) into twelve monthly allotments. The totals of documentarily qualified applicants reported to VO, and the expected INS demand for numbers, are compared each month with the numbers available for the next regular allotment. This allows for the determination of the monthly cut-off dates, and the allotment of numbers for reported applicants who have priority dates within the newly established cut-off dates.
If there are sufficient numbers in a particular category to satisfy all reported documentarily qualified demand, the category is considered "current."
From this it is very clear that the number of Visas available for the rest of the FY 07 is enough to accept as many applications as can be approved in those 3 months(July, Aug and Sep).
According to Ombudsmn report a documentarily qualified applicant is an applicant with approved I-485. The ombudsman report is a must read; most of the threads will not pop up if everyone reads them.
The report also says USCIS can not predict these numbers accurately. That is why 10K GCs were wasted last year and 40K were exepected to be wasted this year. They moved PD to avoid the waste.
USCIS knows the exact # of approved 485's before dates moved for June. So they know exactly when 2007 GCs will get exhausted by earlier approved ones, if at all they will get exhausted.
I think they will retrogress dates after using 2008 quota. That is dates will retrogress in Nov/Dec.
We can do some more analysis based on PD for june (which I don't know). What is the date set for June submissions? Thanks!
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gimme_GC2006
09-04 05:36 PM
If all IMV memebers ever come to form a political party, people like you should be avoided. For you it's all love for YSR..where as for others it's not about YSR or CBN. It is about there values and what they stand for against (corruption, blood politics, land grabbing and so forth..)
Since you dont have your GC details filled in your profile, I would assume your interest in this website is not related to immigration. You might come back arguing that your GC process is about to start or this is public forum and anyone can post anything.
Now, looking at the pattern of your postings, you seem to bash YSR, Jagan clan of people. (Not that I like them)..It looks like you have other political interests in this bashing as against genuine concern for people, 'coz you dont seem to acknowledge that TDP is a corrupt party. I am sure you are a pro-TDP, pro-NTR,NBK(iether by caste or whatever).
If what I think you are is what you are, then its people like you who are responsible for the rise of these kind of politicians.
Since you dont have your GC details filled in your profile, I would assume your interest in this website is not related to immigration. You might come back arguing that your GC process is about to start or this is public forum and anyone can post anything.
Now, looking at the pattern of your postings, you seem to bash YSR, Jagan clan of people. (Not that I like them)..It looks like you have other political interests in this bashing as against genuine concern for people, 'coz you dont seem to acknowledge that TDP is a corrupt party. I am sure you are a pro-TDP, pro-NTR,NBK(iether by caste or whatever).
If what I think you are is what you are, then its people like you who are responsible for the rise of these kind of politicians.
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ramus
06-28 05:56 PM
So this is very clear example where dates were current for June but they just came up on June 5th and asked to reject all other worker application..
Now why can't they do fsame or EB?
Do you know if they even accepected application that they got before June 5th.
That was 5th June as per Oh's website and Oh's website was quoting AILA's memo.
Now why can't they do fsame or EB?
Do you know if they even accepected application that they got before June 5th.
That was 5th June as per Oh's website and Oh's website was quoting AILA's memo.
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Administrator2
09-23 10:28 AM
We believe that this is a great idea to address our issues and at the same time allows us to do our share in the time of crisis. Please send the personalized email communication ASAP as the key lawmakers are in the process of discussing possible package to address the economic/housing crisis.
Even if this is not designed to directly help your situation, please understand that if such a proposal is accepted, it will make most green card applicants exempt which will free up visa numbers for those who do not want to seek such an exemption. So it is a win-win situation for all. Kindly send communications ASAP.
Thanks,
Even if this is not designed to directly help your situation, please understand that if such a proposal is accepted, it will make most green card applicants exempt which will free up visa numbers for those who do not want to seek such an exemption. So it is a win-win situation for all. Kindly send communications ASAP.
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vdlrao
07-21 07:59 PM
If I understand correctly, there is no mechanism for unused EB visas to spill over to the following year's EB, but the law allows unused FB visas to spill over to the following year's EB ?!
The unused Employment Based visas will be added to the following year's Family Based visas.
The unused Employment Based visas will be added to the following year's Family Based visas.
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jhaalaa
01-13 02:49 PM
When folks transfer to a new employers using AC21 (where AC21 is otherwise valid) -
0. NOT APPLICABLE: for folks who only use the EAD for the AC21 and do not use H1 transfer.
1. OK: for folks where you work directly for the new H1 transfer sponsor.
2. DIFFICULT: When H1 transfer using AC21 is sought from a sponsor just to meet AC21 criteria, while one works as a consultant.
AC21 Beware - is specially meant for those wishing to seek AC21 from a small consulting company - because finding some big employer who would presently write a job description in the offer letter to match the criteria ("same or similar") that was advertised for the Labor certificate underlying a I-485 petition that has been pending 7 or more years back does not seem very practical.
_______________________________
In general, for folks on H1 or those planning to get one -
A. Folks who work directly for the H1 sponsors are OK.
B. With this memo, meeting 'Employee-Employer relationship' shall become tougher to prove for small and specially third party consulting company employees who work elsewhere and for an unrelated (to what is stated on the LCA petition used for the H1) client.
It does not mean that its all going to be dark for all with no hope.
Just that, keeping all necessary documentation, proof of communication of work, duties, progress, status, performance assessments, time sheets, documented business processes, projects related documentation, client-vendor communication, service agreements, etc shall become very tedious for small consulting businesses.
Best Wishes for all
0. NOT APPLICABLE: for folks who only use the EAD for the AC21 and do not use H1 transfer.
1. OK: for folks where you work directly for the new H1 transfer sponsor.
2. DIFFICULT: When H1 transfer using AC21 is sought from a sponsor just to meet AC21 criteria, while one works as a consultant.
AC21 Beware - is specially meant for those wishing to seek AC21 from a small consulting company - because finding some big employer who would presently write a job description in the offer letter to match the criteria ("same or similar") that was advertised for the Labor certificate underlying a I-485 petition that has been pending 7 or more years back does not seem very practical.
_______________________________
In general, for folks on H1 or those planning to get one -
A. Folks who work directly for the H1 sponsors are OK.
B. With this memo, meeting 'Employee-Employer relationship' shall become tougher to prove for small and specially third party consulting company employees who work elsewhere and for an unrelated (to what is stated on the LCA petition used for the H1) client.
It does not mean that its all going to be dark for all with no hope.
Just that, keeping all necessary documentation, proof of communication of work, duties, progress, status, performance assessments, time sheets, documented business processes, projects related documentation, client-vendor communication, service agreements, etc shall become very tedious for small consulting businesses.
Best Wishes for all
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Abilash
08-08 07:48 AM
Hi,
I have an approved H1B petition, but was given 221(g) during consular interview due to lack of license to practice my proffession in US. They instructed me to submit the license within one year to stamp the H1B visa.
Now I am comming to US on a Visitors visa to write the licensing exam and to get licenced.
I am aware of the possibility of changing status from Visitors visa to H1B after getting licence without leaving US, since I already have an approved H1B.
But I came to know that USCIS will take around 90 days to approve status change from Visitors visa to H1B.
Kindly clarify whether I can start working for my H1B employer immediately after filing status change with USCIS, or do I need to wait till the approval, to start working.
Also do I need to include 221(g) I received after my H1B consulate interveiw for the status change application.
Thank you very much in advance...
I have an approved H1B petition, but was given 221(g) during consular interview due to lack of license to practice my proffession in US. They instructed me to submit the license within one year to stamp the H1B visa.
Now I am comming to US on a Visitors visa to write the licensing exam and to get licenced.
I am aware of the possibility of changing status from Visitors visa to H1B after getting licence without leaving US, since I already have an approved H1B.
But I came to know that USCIS will take around 90 days to approve status change from Visitors visa to H1B.
Kindly clarify whether I can start working for my H1B employer immediately after filing status change with USCIS, or do I need to wait till the approval, to start working.
Also do I need to include 221(g) I received after my H1B consulate interveiw for the status change application.
Thank you very much in advance...
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iviviv
10-09 01:14 PM
Been contemplating Australian or Canadian migration to get around the retrogresion issue. Are there any former H-1Bs out there who got Canadian citizenship and then applied for US green cards? Please describe your experiences.
How about any Australan nationals who obtained Australian nationality and then
obtained US green cards?
Please describe your experiences- both good and bad.
How about any Australan nationals who obtained Australian nationality and then
obtained US green cards?
Please describe your experiences- both good and bad.
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gopinathan
07-28 10:28 AM
I was an 'IBO' in the past. did the business for 2 years and quit. so, i am one of those "quitters" as called by up-lines and one of the many reasons why the average yearly income is only $115/year :)
you people are fighting for two totally different reasons
(1) is Amway business illegal for H1Bs? and is Amway business model a ponzi scheme ? been with this business, I can still stand behind the business model - its fair and simple. you just buy from one manufacturer and advertise that to others. if you notice, they are actually advertising Amway Global on national TV. Are the products worth the money you pay is a different subject. can H1Bs do this, i hear yes/no from various sources and that is a separate subject too. this thread is about the bitter experiences and not the business model itself.
(2) Now came BWW (for those of you don't know this term, this is the reason for all your heartaches / broken friendships and bitter experiences).
how do you advertise your product/site ?????
when i joined the business, I have atleast 10 very good friends. I talked to all of them and asked them to understand the business model, and not worry about the advertising part. I took all of them to major conferences (they couldn't say no to me out of friendship and curiosity on what i saw in it despite horror stories) but no one was keen at that time. so, i told them to come and see me when they have some free time and are thinking about making money part-time. no hurry. thats it. no clashes between friends or bad blood. no means no. they are your friends and they will come to you when they are looking. NO HURRY.. thats me.
this is the point where problems start. BWW talks and teaches about doing it NOW. they want us to go through as many people as possible and believe in numbers game. if you show the plan to 100 people, 1 active IBO will join. so, show the plan 3 times a week at-least. that's the motto. when they asked me to go for cold contacting i refused out-right. how can i convince a total stranger when my close friends who believe in me couldn't see it.
most of you are crying foul of people "cold" contacting you with fake smile/friendship while they want you to join the business. but everything has to do with BWW and their methods/CDs/meetings etc. its like a competition. the sooner you grow, they grow. so, they want you to grow as fast as possible. if you have to loose your friends/relatives on the way - your up-lines don't care. they say they are your friends/family. how can that be true ??
to Kushal: I wish you luck with your business. but you have some temper my friend. who are you fighting with ?? folks on an online forum ?? you should know better than to throw stones at someone who doesn't have a name. what are you thinking.. you think you can convince everyone here to believe Amway/quixstar is good ???? seriously ?? only if convincing is that easy ;p
to rest of the team: I know you don't approve the advertising part by randomly meeting people. I didn't do it either and extensive damage is done. people run away from Amway/quixstar like plague because some people want to get rich quick and asked their down-lines to spread the word as fast as they can. "run through people". find 1 person willing to work at the expense of 99 people getting offended by you. word of mouth advertising works both ways. bad publicity spreads faster :)
all I am saying is: people advertised Amway really bad. people hate amway but they should really be mad at BWW and their strategies. it is unfortunate that no one really knows or interested to know what Amway model really is. all they can think of is about horrible experiences of cold contacting and repeated chasing.
again, i am not with this business now but still think its a good model. it is based on word of mouth advertising, franchising, residual income - everything e-commerce (which is a subject taught at some universities). now add some short sighted people to do the teaching and BINGO.. screwed it up big time.
you people are fighting for two totally different reasons
(1) is Amway business illegal for H1Bs? and is Amway business model a ponzi scheme ? been with this business, I can still stand behind the business model - its fair and simple. you just buy from one manufacturer and advertise that to others. if you notice, they are actually advertising Amway Global on national TV. Are the products worth the money you pay is a different subject. can H1Bs do this, i hear yes/no from various sources and that is a separate subject too. this thread is about the bitter experiences and not the business model itself.
(2) Now came BWW (for those of you don't know this term, this is the reason for all your heartaches / broken friendships and bitter experiences).
how do you advertise your product/site ?????
when i joined the business, I have atleast 10 very good friends. I talked to all of them and asked them to understand the business model, and not worry about the advertising part. I took all of them to major conferences (they couldn't say no to me out of friendship and curiosity on what i saw in it despite horror stories) but no one was keen at that time. so, i told them to come and see me when they have some free time and are thinking about making money part-time. no hurry. thats it. no clashes between friends or bad blood. no means no. they are your friends and they will come to you when they are looking. NO HURRY.. thats me.
this is the point where problems start. BWW talks and teaches about doing it NOW. they want us to go through as many people as possible and believe in numbers game. if you show the plan to 100 people, 1 active IBO will join. so, show the plan 3 times a week at-least. that's the motto. when they asked me to go for cold contacting i refused out-right. how can i convince a total stranger when my close friends who believe in me couldn't see it.
most of you are crying foul of people "cold" contacting you with fake smile/friendship while they want you to join the business. but everything has to do with BWW and their methods/CDs/meetings etc. its like a competition. the sooner you grow, they grow. so, they want you to grow as fast as possible. if you have to loose your friends/relatives on the way - your up-lines don't care. they say they are your friends/family. how can that be true ??
to Kushal: I wish you luck with your business. but you have some temper my friend. who are you fighting with ?? folks on an online forum ?? you should know better than to throw stones at someone who doesn't have a name. what are you thinking.. you think you can convince everyone here to believe Amway/quixstar is good ???? seriously ?? only if convincing is that easy ;p
to rest of the team: I know you don't approve the advertising part by randomly meeting people. I didn't do it either and extensive damage is done. people run away from Amway/quixstar like plague because some people want to get rich quick and asked their down-lines to spread the word as fast as they can. "run through people". find 1 person willing to work at the expense of 99 people getting offended by you. word of mouth advertising works both ways. bad publicity spreads faster :)
all I am saying is: people advertised Amway really bad. people hate amway but they should really be mad at BWW and their strategies. it is unfortunate that no one really knows or interested to know what Amway model really is. all they can think of is about horrible experiences of cold contacting and repeated chasing.
again, i am not with this business now but still think its a good model. it is based on word of mouth advertising, franchising, residual income - everything e-commerce (which is a subject taught at some universities). now add some short sighted people to do the teaching and BINGO.. screwed it up big time.
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chintu25
09-24 01:43 PM
I think we should ..........this would be helpful to their business too.
EXCELLENT IDEA HERE are some CEO addresses we could send the emails too as well asking for their help
Biotech
Monsanto
Hugh Grant,
Chief Executive
hugh.grant@monsanto.com
Consulting
Accenture
Joe Forehand,
Chief Executive
joe.w.forehand@accenture.com
Entertainment
Disney
George Mitchell, Chairman
george.mitchell@piperrudnick.com
Kodak
Antonio Perez, CEO
Antonio.Perez@kodak.com
Internet
EBay
Douglas McCallum,
Chief Executive Officer
Douglas.McCallum@ebay.com
Network Solution
Champ Mitchell, Chief Executive Officer
Cmitchell@networksolutions.com
News
Bloomberg
Chief Executive Officer
Mbloomberg@bloomberg.net
Last but not the least
United States
George Bush
president@whitehouse.gov
http://www.whitehouse.gov
GET BUSY GUYS
Thanks
EXCELLENT IDEA HERE are some CEO addresses we could send the emails too as well asking for their help
Biotech
Monsanto
Hugh Grant,
Chief Executive
hugh.grant@monsanto.com
Consulting
Accenture
Joe Forehand,
Chief Executive
joe.w.forehand@accenture.com
Entertainment
Disney
George Mitchell, Chairman
george.mitchell@piperrudnick.com
Kodak
Antonio Perez, CEO
Antonio.Perez@kodak.com
Internet
EBay
Douglas McCallum,
Chief Executive Officer
Douglas.McCallum@ebay.com
Network Solution
Champ Mitchell, Chief Executive Officer
Cmitchell@networksolutions.com
News
Bloomberg
Chief Executive Officer
Mbloomberg@bloomberg.net
Last but not the least
United States
George Bush
president@whitehouse.gov
http://www.whitehouse.gov
GET BUSY GUYS
Thanks
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10-16 12:29 PM
Interesting statistics posted on Ron Gotcher forum
Credit to Nolefan
Hello Ron,
I have been silent spectator for long and I greatly enjoy reading this blog. The knowledge you bring is great. The blog is very informative & insightful and has given us lots of useful information. I have been thinking of contributing to this blog for sometime related to Pending visa number and spillover topic and this is my first post regarding that.
Recently, I did some calculations on EB1 & EB spillover to EB2 India/China for FY 2010. Here are points I considered
* Average Consular processing numbers for EB1 & EB2 / year are based on historic data from 1998 to 2008. (Data is available on DHS site)
* All ROW EB1 & EB2 applications from following categories will be approved before spill over happens
o consular processing (EB1 & EB2)
o ROW (EB1 & EB2) + Mexico + Philippines
* most applications for India / China EB2 from 2004 and prior are approved except few as mentioned on CIS report.
* Even if there are EB2 ROW I140 applications are pending, they may not be more than few thousands (based historic EB2 usage from EB2 ROW). Based on economic conditions, I assumed 5000 new I485 applications after approval of I140.
Calculations
EB1 spill over
Total quota allowed: 40040
Average consular processing: 5290
AOS Pending: 4050
New applications: 2500
spill over from EB1 ~ 40040 - 5290 � 4050 � 2500
spill over from EB1~ 28500
EB2 spill over
Total quota allowed: 40040
Average consular processing: 2199
AOS Pending (ROW): 7871
New applications: 2500
spill over from EB1 ~ 40040 - 2199 � 7871 � 2500
spill over from EB1~ 27470
Total EB1 & EB2 spill over = 28500 + 27470
Total EB1 & EB2 spill over = 55970
EB4 spill over
Total quota allowed: 9800
Average visa numbers used: 7432�� based on data from 1998 to 2008
spill over = 2368
EB5 spill over
Total quota allowed: 9800
Average visa numbers used: 465 �� based on data from 1998 to 2008
2008 data: 1360
spill over : 8440
Total spill over for EB2 India / China: spill over from (EB1 + EB2 + EB3 + EB4)
i.e. 28500 + 27470 + 2368 + 8440 ..
Total spill over for EB2 India / China: 66778
Preadjudicated EB2 India / China applications ~ 51000
Total pending EB2 India / China ~ 67061
If spill over occurs quarterly, then I would expect EB2 India / China dates should faster throughout year may be current by end of FY 2010.
Too good to believe..I hope it would go correct:D
And one more PRO factor is that EB1 are under high scruitny so less EB1s so high spillovers than ever before..
Credit to Nolefan
Hello Ron,
I have been silent spectator for long and I greatly enjoy reading this blog. The knowledge you bring is great. The blog is very informative & insightful and has given us lots of useful information. I have been thinking of contributing to this blog for sometime related to Pending visa number and spillover topic and this is my first post regarding that.
Recently, I did some calculations on EB1 & EB spillover to EB2 India/China for FY 2010. Here are points I considered
* Average Consular processing numbers for EB1 & EB2 / year are based on historic data from 1998 to 2008. (Data is available on DHS site)
* All ROW EB1 & EB2 applications from following categories will be approved before spill over happens
o consular processing (EB1 & EB2)
o ROW (EB1 & EB2) + Mexico + Philippines
* most applications for India / China EB2 from 2004 and prior are approved except few as mentioned on CIS report.
* Even if there are EB2 ROW I140 applications are pending, they may not be more than few thousands (based historic EB2 usage from EB2 ROW). Based on economic conditions, I assumed 5000 new I485 applications after approval of I140.
Calculations
EB1 spill over
Total quota allowed: 40040
Average consular processing: 5290
AOS Pending: 4050
New applications: 2500
spill over from EB1 ~ 40040 - 5290 � 4050 � 2500
spill over from EB1~ 28500
EB2 spill over
Total quota allowed: 40040
Average consular processing: 2199
AOS Pending (ROW): 7871
New applications: 2500
spill over from EB1 ~ 40040 - 2199 � 7871 � 2500
spill over from EB1~ 27470
Total EB1 & EB2 spill over = 28500 + 27470
Total EB1 & EB2 spill over = 55970
EB4 spill over
Total quota allowed: 9800
Average visa numbers used: 7432�� based on data from 1998 to 2008
spill over = 2368
EB5 spill over
Total quota allowed: 9800
Average visa numbers used: 465 �� based on data from 1998 to 2008
2008 data: 1360
spill over : 8440
Total spill over for EB2 India / China: spill over from (EB1 + EB2 + EB3 + EB4)
i.e. 28500 + 27470 + 2368 + 8440 ..
Total spill over for EB2 India / China: 66778
Preadjudicated EB2 India / China applications ~ 51000
Total pending EB2 India / China ~ 67061
If spill over occurs quarterly, then I would expect EB2 India / China dates should faster throughout year may be current by end of FY 2010.
Too good to believe..I hope it would go correct:D
And one more PRO factor is that EB1 are under high scruitny so less EB1s so high spillovers than ever before..
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rajuram
02-14 11:51 PM
How would letting "people" know that there is a problem help? The only people that matter are politicians.
I tried to determine, on a separate thread, the wait times for EB-2 India, EB-3 ROW, and EB-3 India.
ANd I failed miserably. My models didn't make much sense. So I quit trying to come up with a reasonable, mathematical, estimate on the wait times.
The reason I was trying to determine wait times, was so that I could then convince people to join and contribute for IV. Basically, a media campaign, geared towards our base.
Anyway, the point of this post is this. I don't need reasonable, mathematical estimates. Maybe, all I need is a quote. A quote from someone knowledgeable, like Aman. Or some lawyers association. Some chimpanzee from USCIS. I don't know. Just something that says 'It will take 10-15 years for EB-3 India to get their greencards.' Or something like that for EB-3 ROW/EB-2 India.
That could be used to let people know that there IS a problem. Trust me. A huge majority doesn't even know that there is a problem.
I tried to determine, on a separate thread, the wait times for EB-2 India, EB-3 ROW, and EB-3 India.
ANd I failed miserably. My models didn't make much sense. So I quit trying to come up with a reasonable, mathematical, estimate on the wait times.
The reason I was trying to determine wait times, was so that I could then convince people to join and contribute for IV. Basically, a media campaign, geared towards our base.
Anyway, the point of this post is this. I don't need reasonable, mathematical estimates. Maybe, all I need is a quote. A quote from someone knowledgeable, like Aman. Or some lawyers association. Some chimpanzee from USCIS. I don't know. Just something that says 'It will take 10-15 years for EB-3 India to get their greencards.' Or something like that for EB-3 ROW/EB-2 India.
That could be used to let people know that there IS a problem. Trust me. A huge majority doesn't even know that there is a problem.
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mallu
02-15 04:41 PM
....
The story is different for EB immigrants. Their eligibility does not expire. That's why it's possibile to recapture numbers from the previous years.
So, my sending letter to pres. Bush to recapture unused visas is not a waste.
The story is different for EB immigrants. Their eligibility does not expire. That's why it's possibile to recapture numbers from the previous years.
So, my sending letter to pres. Bush to recapture unused visas is not a waste.
NKR
02-14 08:49 AM
[[Bestia,
This is bigotry. Stop using other countries (Sierra Leone or Kongo (spelled Congo FYI) as scapegoats. Obviously, your country isn't so great or you wouldn't be on this forum trying to immigrate to the U.S. Plenty of people do immigrate to the Congo and Sierra Leone FYI...I am not attacking you but it is incredibly insensitive and ridiculous to point to other countries in that way - where are you from that's so perfect?
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First it was fighting between Indian/Chinese and ROW, now there is fighting within ROW. Come on Guys, today is valentine's day. Let there be Love and Peace. Let's unite...
This is bigotry. Stop using other countries (Sierra Leone or Kongo (spelled Congo FYI) as scapegoats. Obviously, your country isn't so great or you wouldn't be on this forum trying to immigrate to the U.S. Plenty of people do immigrate to the Congo and Sierra Leone FYI...I am not attacking you but it is incredibly insensitive and ridiculous to point to other countries in that way - where are you from that's so perfect?
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First it was fighting between Indian/Chinese and ROW, now there is fighting within ROW. Come on Guys, today is valentine's day. Let there be Love and Peace. Let's unite...
md2003
04-28 07:06 PM
I don't believe Matthew Oh. Eventually he is going to say INS still not yet approved .
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